tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post3909259259958089757..comments2023-10-25T05:30:54.507-04:00Comments on Oh Get A Grip!: Unconstructive CriticismAshe Barkerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03390519279886657608noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-71699770396269960122010-09-09T17:06:55.615-04:002010-09-09T17:06:55.615-04:00Tracey,
That strikes me as a fair approach. If I...Tracey,<br /><br />That strikes me as a fair approach. If I get shitty service in a cafe or shop, I don't go back there. If I get good service I either tip or I mention the good service to the appropriate grown-up.<br /><br />(I actually did this last week when I saw a lorry driver stop his truck in the middle of the road - blocking traffic - so he could climb out of the vehicle and help a lady in a wheelchair cross the road. It was an uncommon act of gallantry that deserved applauding).<br /><br />So I think that voting with your wallet is probably the best solution. <br /><br />AshAshley Listerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11997769708965362938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-42630609020526619132010-09-09T16:15:31.697-04:002010-09-09T16:15:31.697-04:00I won't say that if you're not a writer yo...I won't say that if you're not a writer you have no right to review books. Everyone has a right to their own opinion, but if I didn't like something about a book I'd seek out the writer and send them my opinion - as another writer - in the hope that they can use it to make their next work better. What I won't do is go and post a crap review for all to see. This person has taken the time and effort to write and get a book published. Do these cretins who post on Amazon who have never written a book know how hard that is? The writer of this work you hate should get a medal just for getting it out there! I do state that some books by popular writers are not always as good as their earlier works, because the big earners need to be rattled occasionally so they don't become complacent. But if I really hate a book I don't bother finishing it. I just get rid of it to some charity shop and vote with my wallet by not buying another by that writer. I hope that as a fellow writer my reviews will encourage others who liked my work or feel they can trust my opinion to go and buy that hard working writers book. I hope that they will in turn look favourably upon my own humble efforts, and be encouraged to try them. But I never write crit with that foremost in my mind. I do write reviews on Amazon and I hope that buyers read them, but I don't crit on Amazon it is not the place.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-41253579261234753512010-09-04T09:07:45.972-04:002010-09-04T09:07:45.972-04:00Amazingly, some of the people I've observed pa...Amazingly, some of the people I've observed passing along secondhand critiques from a friend or significant other to whom a review was "outsourced" had obtained the books for free through the Amazon Vine program. I sorta kinda woulda thought these elite reviewers would have been honor bound to, y'know, read and review the materials themselves.Jeremy Edwardshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01980177431018869829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-766196170963030802010-09-04T03:07:13.981-04:002010-09-04T03:07:13.981-04:00I hadn't heard of Candace Sams before. I'...I hadn't heard of Candace Sams before. I'm now going to lose a weekend finding out more about her. <br /><br />I also get offended by unfair reviews. I was recently dismayed to read someone give a single star review to a book that I had thought was brilliant.<br /><br />The reviewer criticised the book with words along the lines of: "I haven't read this book, but my girlfriend didn't seem to enjoy it." <br /><br />My thoughts were, if you haven't read it, you've got no right to review the f**king thing. Nevertheless, having a girlfriend read a book seems to be sufficient qualification for someone to be an Amazon reviewer.<br /><br />I'll stop sounding off now before I come across as bitter.<br /><br />Best,<br /><br />AshAshley Listerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11997769708965362938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-6789504708466304782010-09-03T23:11:43.480-04:002010-09-03T23:11:43.480-04:00I seem to have no rhyme or reason to my reviewing ...I seem to have no rhyme or reason to my reviewing process, really. I write one when the mood strikes or when the book inspires me to. If the rating that the book got is fair, I probably won't bother to write a review. If a book I would give 1 star to got a 5? I'd feel morally obligated to post. Then again, if a book I felt deserved a 5 only received 1 star, I'd have to post then, too.<br /><br />Not being the author of the books in question, I also feel confident in confronting the reviewer regarding their rating. I read a book that I felt was, for the most part, average. It was an author I generally like, and the book wasn't her best, but it was decent. I was completely put off, however, by the 1 star review, not as a reader, but as a reviewer. The reviewer gave the book a low rating because she didn't like the fact that the book was part of a series. The author in question rarely writes stand alones, and there was no reason to think this would be an exception. The rest of the review went on about how good the book was, but... how she liked the book, but... I felt much better after commenting. Didn't change her rating, but it made ME feel better, AND my response is there.<br /><br />Sadly, if you do that as an author, you risk pulling a Candace Sams and becoming (deservedly) a laughing stock. So, the rule is, get your friends to do it instead. ;)The Wifehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17249636299687896581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-81415771168776715662010-09-03T17:15:46.619-04:002010-09-03T17:15:46.619-04:00Jeremy,
"So, then, why do you think your fee...Jeremy,<br /><br /><i>"So, then, why do you think your feelings about this book that's geared toward people who do like those things holds any value for anyone?"</i><br /><br />It's a shame we can't just paste this after every irritating Amazon review :-)<br /><br />Best,<br /><br />AshAshley Listerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11997769708965362938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-62538124543046706792010-09-03T10:37:16.702-04:002010-09-03T10:37:16.702-04:00Great exploration of the Amazon-review issue, Ash,...Great exploration of the Amazon-review issue, Ash, as only you could do it!<br /><br />This bit got a double LOL in our household (me and my wife): <br /><br /><i>So, instead of talking about constructive criticism, I want to talk about unconstructive criticism.<br /><br />Or, as it’s more commonly called, Amazon reviews.</i><br /><br />Hilarious!<br /><br />Granted, not every negative review by Amazon users is ignorant and irrelevant. But a lot of them do seem to boil down to "I don't like erotica with explicit language" or "I don't like erotica in short-story form," etc. To which my answer is always, "So, then, why do you think your feelings about this book that's geared toward people who <i>do</i> like those things holds any value for anyone?"Jeremy Edwardshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01980177431018869829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-64301068989117077352010-09-03T05:47:10.438-04:002010-09-03T05:47:10.438-04:00Lisabet,
The 'best book' element you ment...Lisabet,<br /><br />The 'best book' element you mention is one of the things that really annoys me. <br /><br />My wife (as I've probably mentioned in the past) makes dolls. (www.artfulbabies.co.uk) She no longer enters her dolls for competitions because it's never about the quality of the winning doll: it's always about who has the greatest number of online friends who are willing/able to vote for their friend.<br /><br />When I see the same thing being done with books, I know that the authenticity of that award is totally diminished. It's not about the best book. It's merely a prize for the person with the most friends.<br /><br />Best,<br /><br />AshAshley Listerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11997769708965362938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-65746925749626242322010-09-03T04:17:33.892-04:002010-09-03T04:17:33.892-04:00Hey Ash,
Coming in to this discussion a bit late....Hey Ash,<br /><br />Coming in to this discussion a bit late...I think maybe all the good words have been taken!<br /><br />I don't pay much attention to Amazon reviews. I hardly ever go look at mine. Why? Because there is no quality control, no guarantee at all of objectivity. <br /><br />This is as bad on the plus as on the minus side. I know an editor who offered to give free copies of her book to anyone who agreed to review it on Amazon. Now, she didn't come right out and specify that the individual had to produce a positive review, but self-selection basically guaranteed it. Only people who were interested in a book on this topic would have taken her up on the offer in the first place, and of course they were grateful for the free book.<br /><br />I am not saying anything at all about the quality of the book. (Well, okay, I will. It's an excellent book! It even contains a story by me...;^) ) But I'm not really very comfortable with the methodology even when in some sense it benefits me.<br /><br />It's like the messages from fellow authors I see everyday on the romance lists - "I'm up for best book of the week at so-and-so's romance reviews; vote for me". Personally, I am not going to vote for a book I haven't read. Sorry. Maybe I'm just old-fashioned. <br /><br />Great post, Ash. And some outright brilliant comments!<br /><br />Warmly,<br />LisabetLisabet Saraihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05162514190572269660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-55434046226398534232010-09-03T01:21:41.751-04:002010-09-03T01:21:41.751-04:00Shar,
Whilst I was writing my blog this week, I c...Shar,<br /><br />Whilst I was writing my blog this week, I considered pointing out that there was a time when I would have killed to be in receipt of a book review - mainly because that would prove I had written, published and been read. <br /><br />The hate mail you received is despicable. Scum that send out that sort of filth need to have their computers taken away from - preferably through their anus. <br /><br />Best,<br /><br />AshAshley Listerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11997769708965362938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-19732643675888033602010-09-03T01:13:01.895-04:002010-09-03T01:13:01.895-04:00Garce,
I know reviewing isn't for everyone. ...Garce,<br /><br />I know reviewing isn't for everyone. A colleague and I are currently selecting poems for an anthology. One idea for selecting the poems was to grade each one out of 10 and pick the ones with the highest overall score. <br /><br />My colleague gave every poem 10 out of 10 because she thought they all deserved a high grade for having made the effort.<br /><br />I sometimes feel that way about reviewing. Even if it's a book I didn't enjoy reading, I can appreciate that the writer has made the effort and put some considerable time into producing a MS. <br /><br />Of course, that doesn't stop me from being a bitch if I've got to review a copy for one website or another :-)<br /><br />And if Amazon reviews helped you produce something as enjoyable as Color of the Moon. then they have to be creditted for being responsible for some good.<br /><br />Best,<br /><br />AshAshley Listerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11997769708965362938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-80922789402270142472010-09-03T00:58:47.588-04:002010-09-03T00:58:47.588-04:00Jude,
The Grip is certainly broadening my vocabul...Jude,<br /><br />The Grip is certainly broadening my vocabulary this week - in the funnest way possible.<br /><br />I wonder if other genre writers suffer this same Amazon curse? Children's writers getting the complaint: 'This book was aimed at kids.' Horror writers getting the criticism: 'This book was scary.'<br /><br />Best,<br /><br />AshAshley Listerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11997769708965362938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-68632102469357552010-09-03T00:17:16.277-04:002010-09-03T00:17:16.277-04:00I almost wish I could complain about all my negati...I almost wish I could complain about all my negative reviews, because then it would at least mean more people had bought my book... ha.<br /><br />A number of my friends who said they liked my book also said they didn't want to publish a review because their amazon account contained some or all of their real name, and they didn't feel like changing their account just to review my book. Which makes sense.<br /><br />I got "reviewed" on Scribd, though, or rather, the lowest rating and a deathwish to my inbox calling me a "dirty sand nigger." And the excerpt there is free, so I didn't even get any royalties. :(<br /><br />I've left reviews on Amazon, but I follow the same policy as on my blog--if I don't like a book, I'm not going to finish reading it, let alone take the time to write a review. If I'm going to write something, it's because I liked the book. Otherwise, I'm too busy to bother.Sharazadehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15770022203256855126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-4473529723821520862010-09-02T21:54:10.720-04:002010-09-02T21:54:10.720-04:00Hi Ash
I don;t think I could do reviews unless I ...Hi Ash<br /><br />I don;t think I could do reviews unless I was really fired up about a book. I just wouldn;t want to. You can see what happens in my case. Not all Amazon reviews are crap, though granted many are. I met Mire Uno, the Japanese lady who guided me through "The Color of the Moon" because she had posted a review of Lafcadio Hearns book "Kwaidan". Of course Hearn was dead a hundred years so he didn;t care what she said, but I knew I had to contact her. That was back in more innocent times when such things were possible.<br /><br />Good post.<br /><br />GarceGarceushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11160407485298015371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-22774625966349901502010-09-02T18:29:46.408-04:002010-09-02T18:29:46.408-04:00Pancocks and Twatwaffles, oh my!
My sister-in-la...Pancocks and Twatwaffles, oh my! <br /><br />My sister-in-law has outdone you both. She's inserted twattle into my mom-in-laws brain to mean that hangy down thing under an old woman's chin. Now, we all spend time trying to get her to say it then straining not to laugh out silly a$$es off. <br /><br />Yes, we can be very juvenile when we want to be, AND we love every moment of it.<br /><br />Ash, the reviews that confuse me are the ones given for anthologies where they rave about the stories, but say they're all much too short. I have no idea how big a book these nits think a publisher is going to put together. <br /><br />Great post sir!<br /><br />Hugs<br />JudeJude Masonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14067166768734750026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-26905282273248782582010-09-02T16:17:07.624-04:002010-09-02T16:17:07.624-04:00Ash - Bwahahaha! I am so going to steal that book ...Ash - Bwahahaha! I am so going to steal that book blurb. BTW, twatwaffle isn't mine. I stole it from this guy I know. I think pancocks were also mentioned that that conversation.Kathleen Bradeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06347913255760493335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-72535996189604093372010-09-02T15:20:03.191-04:002010-09-02T15:20:03.191-04:00Kathleen,
I've made a note to use twatwaffle ...Kathleen,<br /><br />I've made a note to use twatwaffle in future. I think the character in my next book will have a pet cat called that. <br /><br />And I know what you mean about those reviews. I've just finished reading the autobiography of Frankie Boyle. He's a Scottish comedian renowned for a very dark and confrontational sense of humour. The strapline on the back is from another comedian who says: 'If you like Harry Potter and The Da Vinci Code, why the hell are you even looking at this, you retard?'<br /><br />Don't you wish our publishers could be so honest?<br /><br />AshAshley Listerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11997769708965362938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-66743399602658460202010-09-02T13:42:11.996-04:002010-09-02T13:42:11.996-04:00Ash -
I can only give your post three stars, bec...Ash - <br /><br />I can only give your post three stars, because you used the word twunt, while I prefer the word twatwaffle.<br /><br /><br />My "favorite" reviews are the ones that say something like, "I hate BDSM, so I bought this clearly-labeled-as-BDSM book, and what do you know, there was BDSM in it! I'm outraged! I hated it, hated it, hated it. I was tricked! 1 Star, because they won't let me give it zero."Kathleen Bradeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06347913255760493335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-15350014568335349882010-09-02T07:19:13.791-04:002010-09-02T07:19:13.791-04:00Fulani,
I think you're right about the negati...Fulani,<br /><br />I think you're right about the negative comments taking precedence. I've left negative comments on electrical items that I thought were below standard, but I've never left positive feedback for the good gadgets.<br /><br />And, thinking about books I've read, I suppose I should go on Amazon more to give the thumbs up to those titles that have given me genuine pleasure.<br /><br />It might just have been 2p's worth, but I think you've just given me excellent value.<br /><br />Best,<br /><br />AshAshley Listerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11997769708965362938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-79587875846993615782010-09-02T07:17:05.308-04:002010-09-02T07:17:05.308-04:00Craig,
'culling the pertinent from the impert...Craig,<br /><br />'culling the pertinent from the impertinent' I wash I had been pithy enough to say that. <br /><br />Best,<br /><br />AshAshley Listerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11997769708965362938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-17739070630784245352010-09-02T07:04:21.624-04:002010-09-02T07:04:21.624-04:00A lot of authors I'm in contact with have the ...A lot of authors I'm in contact with have the same feeling about Amazon reviews. My take on it is that (1) a tiny percentage of readers bother to post reviews, and will do so usually because they dislike rather than like a book, and (2) those who do post reviews will often write like they're trying to start a flame war in a chatroom, or in the style of a gangster in some computer game. I frankly doubt many people read Amazon reviews in order to get an accurate view of the book.<br /><br />My 2p worth.Fulanihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14959628434559905605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-6596028974851646842010-09-02T04:36:56.316-04:002010-09-02T04:36:56.316-04:00Ash,
I actually did a post on this very subject a...Ash,<br /><br />I actually did a post on this very subject a few weeks ago. I experienced a range of reviews for a story that appeared in a collection at US Amazon.<br /><br />It's always good to know what readers are thinking and to accept that we'll never connect with every reader.<br /><br />I guess this comes to the heart of being good at receiving criticism constructively -- culling the pertinent from the impertinent in our own eyes.<br /><br />Great post.<br /><br />CraigCraig Sorensenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08101869420537661374noreply@blogger.com