tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post4618221596822105863..comments2023-10-25T05:30:54.507-04:00Comments on Oh Get A Grip!: The Novel I Don't Dare WriteAshe Barkerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03390519279886657608noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-59352244335245281642014-08-13T16:13:18.754-04:002014-08-13T16:13:18.754-04:00This book sounds strong to me, and it's writte...This book sounds strong to me, and it's written with that kind of passion (the kind that makes you bang out chapter 1 in an hour). I do know some publishers who might be interested. I'll shoot you an e-mail since I'm reading this so long after you posted. Annabeth Leonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07455191827664110878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-39207054343454187662014-08-08T09:07:24.375-04:002014-08-08T09:07:24.375-04:00Lisabet!
You're not asking for advice necessa...Lisabet!<br /><br />You're not asking for advice necessarily, but because you have so often been my creative partner and muse I have an idea to offer on this theme.<br /><br />Have you ever seen the Clint Eastwood movie "Million Dollar Baby"? If you haven't, I won;t describe it to you, so you can see it cold. But its along a similar premise to what you're thinking, though non-sexual, and it was hugely successful. Very compelling premise and it may give you a way into it.<br /><br />GarceGarceushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11160407485298015371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-8419528141795379212014-08-05T10:58:40.275-04:002014-08-05T10:58:40.275-04:00Lisabet:
Darn my incapable brain. These days I onl...Lisabet:<br />Darn my incapable brain. These days I only remember non essential stuff, like the phone number of my best friend, Spring 4-5389. I remembering reading about a line of romantic fiction some years ago about persons with disabilities. I'm sure it exists as a sub-genre somewhere. I say why not write it. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15484640447109164744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-281818229173734982014-08-05T09:39:30.066-04:002014-08-05T09:39:30.066-04:00Thanks for the pointers, Sacchi.
I have to say &q...Thanks for the pointers, Sacchi.<br /><br />I have to say "Crips with Whips" make me cringe, though I supposed if you're disabled yourself the term is more ironic and less derogatory.Lisabet Saraihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05162514190572269660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-65022982776685632802014-08-05T09:38:33.033-04:002014-08-05T09:38:33.033-04:00I don't think I'll ever write a mainstream...I don't think I'll ever write a mainstream novel. I have no idea how to sell or market such a novel. Furthermore, mainstream novels by definition are not allowed to arouse the reader. That's not my work...!Lisabet Saraihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05162514190572269660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-31833032613334735432014-08-05T00:30:57.610-04:002014-08-05T00:30:57.610-04:00I know that there have been (and still are, I thin...I know that there have been (and still are, I think) disabled people in the women-only Boston-area BDSM group MOB. One person with Muscular Dystrophy used the term "Crips with Whips" in a way that made me think that she was talking about a formal community, but Googling doesn't bring up anything so maybe it was just an informal in-group term. I knew someone else who was working on developing sex toys for disabled people--I think it was for his independent project at Hampshire College, and he hoped to start a real business--but economic reality drove him into Silicon Valley work. Sacchi Greenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10801164916418570059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-87137045850935905282014-08-04T12:20:11.252-04:002014-08-04T12:20:11.252-04:00That book probably wouldn't be for me. It may ...That book probably wouldn't be for me. It may not be completely PC, but I must say that obvious physical or mental anomalies tend to make me uncomfortable. Of course, as Rose says, it could be a good mainstream novel, especially in the hands of someone like you, Lisabet. In any case, it looks like this is something you want to do, so do it!!!<br /><br />Maybe in your spare time. What's the emoticon for tongue-in-cheek?Daddy Xhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12927663248424944119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-36508326003635142602014-08-04T12:14:03.021-04:002014-08-04T12:14:03.021-04:00An ERWA subscriber was talking about sex including...An ERWA subscriber was talking about sex including disabilities on 'Writers' not too long ago.Daddy Xhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12927663248424944119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-41525364316727302342014-08-04T08:41:34.303-04:002014-08-04T08:41:34.303-04:00I suppose you're right, Sybil. I don't kno...I suppose you're right, Sybil. I don't know if I have the time or patience to self-publish.<br /><br />Certainly I would not use a new pseudonym. The notion of starting all the community building all over, from scratch, is horrifying!<br /><br />Thanks for dropping by!Lisabet Saraihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05162514190572269660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-16155175250726342842014-08-04T08:40:19.993-04:002014-08-04T08:40:19.993-04:00Thank you, Rose. If I ever do take on this beast, ...Thank you, Rose. If I ever do take on this beast, I'll definitely do some research, if only to avoid stupid mistake ;^)<br /><br />Your suggestion that maybe there is a disabled BDSM community is an interesting thought.<br /><br />Oh, and there *are* erotic romances about disabled people. I had an author pimping a book with a blind gay hero on my blog just a few weeks ago.Lisabet Saraihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05162514190572269660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-87663833643539838912014-08-04T08:38:15.667-04:002014-08-04T08:38:15.667-04:00Thanks for your encouragement, Jean.
I've rea...Thanks for your encouragement, Jean.<br /><br />I've read bits and pieces of Freak Parade and liked it. Probably I should buy the book and settle down with it, if only to support brave people like Marilyn.Lisabet Saraihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05162514190572269660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-5309349531597273022014-08-03T18:37:48.957-04:002014-08-03T18:37:48.957-04:00Hi Lisabet,
Why not write it and indie-publish it ...Hi Lisabet,<br />Why not write it and indie-publish it yourself? If you're worried that it would hurt your brand, you could use a new pseudonym, yes?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11889482544463723850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-25190709047623508972014-08-03T15:37:42.115-04:002014-08-03T15:37:42.115-04:00Hi, Lisabet,
I decided to pop into the blog today...Hi, Lisabet,<br /><br />I decided to pop into the blog today, just to see what was happening. Glad I did. I was reading this post and thought it was going to be a short story of type some of you post here. You definitely set the hook. I have to say that I was disappointed that it was not a whole story, but the just the first chapter of a book you have not yet written.<br /><br />And I'm even sorrier to hear that you think it may never be written and published, only because of the anticipated reception from the politically correct factions. It's too bad, really, because it could be a deeply moving story. This is the kind of thing upon which the doors stay closed, by some kind of tacit agreement in the erotica market... sexuality in physically disabled persons. The heroes and heroines of erotica and erotic romances, no matter how emotionally challenged (which is, more often than not, the type of challenge that is overcome before they saunter off into the sunset) are buff and beautiful ideal physical specimens, with, at most, a vision impairment that requires the wearing of corrective lenses. (Of course, never so bad that they're legally blind without them. The glasses come off more as a fashion statement and a measure of intellect than anything else.)<br /><br />But from the standpoint of the type of relationship you're talking about here, the quadriplegic hero would be amazing. Erotica takes place between the ears and this would be a perfect scenario to illustrate that, plus the angst of people who are sexual beings, but have virtually insurmountable issues expressing their sexuality due to physical disabilities.<br /><br />What I do wonder is if this could be a really powerful *mainstream* novel. I think the only thing you might want to do, if you haven't already, is research and interviews of people who *have* such disabilities and ask *them* what their thoughts are on bringing some of this out into the open. I mean there *have* to be some BDSM and D/S folks with serious physical limitations who yearn for some understanding of the desires and limitations. I wonder too, if it becomes a matter of "If you write it, they will read." Perhaps this could *be* the breakout novel for this type of situation.<br /><br />I know it wouldn't be easy, but I think you should write it, if only just to ensure that this story is told. I think it *should* be told. Easier said than done, I'm sure, but if you really feel it, don't deny the compulsion to write it. If nothing else, it certainly wouldn't be the same old same old about poseurs and wannabes as your Zoe observes in the club.<br /><br />Rose ;-) RMChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10038014883652311509noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-33021091196961265242014-08-03T14:53:30.141-04:002014-08-03T14:53:30.141-04:00Lisabet, if the novel is screaming to be born, I w...Lisabet, if the novel is screaming to be born, I would say bring it forth! Several years ago, when "erotica" per se seemed to be giving way to erotic romance, Marilyn Jaye Lewis had a novel inside her, set in the indie music scene of 1980s New York (a scene she had experienced), but publishers wouldn't accept it. So she self-published Freak Parade, and set it loose in the world. It got several rave reviews (one from me). IMO, it's a fabulous read, partly because it doesn't have the commercial aura of something that was written mainly because X (vampires, werewolves in love, whatever) is apparently selling well this year. Re "the BDSM community," I get the impression there are actually several of these, and they don't all coexist peacefully. (Think of Orthodox vs. Reform Jews, Sunni vs. Shiite Muslims, the whole clashing spectrum of Christians since the 1500s, etc.) I bet your novel would get respect from some BDSM readers. As you say, however, you could expect some flak, and that is unfortunate.Jean Robertahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08805088081675965859noreply@blogger.com