tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post5235911629273194372..comments2023-10-25T05:30:54.507-04:00Comments on Oh Get A Grip!: InsatiableAshe Barkerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03390519279886657608noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-42838160209815476382014-05-15T13:30:09.414-04:002014-05-15T13:30:09.414-04:00To be clear, I think the sort of thing you're ...To be clear, I think the sort of thing you're talking about, Garce, is the appropriate way to consider food morally. Where I don't think morality should enter is in consideration of people's quantity of food consumed or enjoyment thereof.Annabeth Leonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07455191827664110878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-3966423243501983092014-05-14T08:29:38.717-04:002014-05-14T08:29:38.717-04:00I personnally hate the idea of killing and eating ...I personnally hate the idea of killing and eating other living things that want so badly to live as I do. We live at a time in human history when large carnivores are no longer hunting us down to kill us and turn us into cat food.<br /><br />But I remind myself that this is the way the world we live in is structured. The reason evolution works and the way life has survived thorugh so many catastropes is because of this complex mechanism of sex and death, in which animals and plants are constantly remixed, killed by each other and relaced with fresh forms. And that is the only thing you know for sure about your future, is that some day you will surely die.<br /><br />GarceGarceushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11160407485298015371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-19249309486219382252014-05-14T06:19:09.238-04:002014-05-14T06:19:09.238-04:00I woke up this morning thinking about the way that...I woke up this morning thinking about the way that eating sometimes takes on an inappropriate moral dimension. While I understand people who feel they need to express morality by, say, choosing not to eat animals, the idea that too much eating is immoral puzzles me. Of course, it's one thing if you're taking food from someone else in order to eat too much, but other than the theft angle, I have trouble figuring out why gluttony in itself is supposed to be a sin (to use Middle Ages terminology rather than modern terminology—though I hear the same concepts in ideas about needing to go to the gym to atone for pizza or what have you). I guess the answer is sort of in the phrase you wrote, "sinful self-indulgence." Someone needs to explain to me why self-indulgence is supposed to be so sinful. <br /><br />Yes, this is the sort of thing I wake up thinking about...Annabeth Leonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07455191827664110878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-88626900578577489752014-05-13T22:57:28.678-04:002014-05-13T22:57:28.678-04:00A very moving post, Lisabet. Years go, I read a bo...A very moving post, Lisabet. Years go, I read a book on eating disorders that made the point that in the Middle Ages, just as in our own time, eating *too much* was associated with sinful self-indulgence, so under-eating or actual starvation was considered virtuous, especially in pious young girls. (I havent looked at medieval art the same way since.) the more things change . . .Jean Robertahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08805088081675965859noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-27683100131451873372014-05-13T11:32:07.174-04:002014-05-13T11:32:07.174-04:00And to Lisabet's reply to Fiona's comment:...And to Lisabet's reply to Fiona's comment: It's also good to carry a few extra pounds to keep in reserve if we get ill.Daddy Xhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12927663248424944119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-10053838699970432072014-05-13T11:29:04.223-04:002014-05-13T11:29:04.223-04:00Perhaps those who don't experience disorders l...Perhaps those who don't experience disorders like this (or schizophrenia, depression, bipolar) can't put their mind into that headspace. Misunderstood, yes, but in a way, it's a good thing they can't. Better we experience it through eloquent assessments like this.Daddy Xhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12927663248424944119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-89702800235245978512014-05-13T07:13:46.826-04:002014-05-13T07:13:46.826-04:00The equation of skinniness with healthiness is tru...The equation of skinniness with healthiness is truly dangerous. Recent studies suggest that you'll have far more resistance to many health problems if you're a bit overweight, as opposed to underweight.Lisabet Saraihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05162514190572269660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-53378803300479031892014-05-13T07:12:28.359-04:002014-05-13T07:12:28.359-04:00Hello, Mary,
I realize that I was lucky to surviv...Hello, Mary,<br /><br />I realize that I was lucky to survive with no permanent deficits other than some memory loss. (I read constantly during the time I was hospitalized. I don't remember any of it.) I have also known women who literally starved themselves to death.<br /><br />The good news is that I think clinicians understand the disease much better now than they did when I was a sufferer. Back then, anorexia wasn't very common. (Guess I was ahead of my time.)<br /><br />I'm also fortunate I never got into the vomiting thing. (I've always HATED throwing up.) And I never stopped eating completely.<br /><br />Lisabet Saraihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05162514190572269660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-92178085499229025272014-05-13T07:09:22.279-04:002014-05-13T07:09:22.279-04:00Hello, Aurelia,
The external form these obsession...Hello, Aurelia,<br /><br />The external form these obsessions take can shift and morph. I'm grateful that as I've gotten older, I've learned to relax some of that need for control. (It has helped in my relationships, too LOL) <br /><br />I'd never want to go back to being twenty. Way too difficult and painful.Lisabet Saraihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05162514190572269660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-87334344416868297952014-05-13T07:07:43.017-04:002014-05-13T07:07:43.017-04:00If you know of any - send them my way.
Of course...If you know of any - send them my way. <br /><br />Of course, maybe they shouldn't be reading an over-18 blog. But sometimes I wonder if there's anything I can do to help those young women who are suffering so.Lisabet Saraihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05162514190572269660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-75548925413304186292014-05-13T07:06:57.922-04:002014-05-13T07:06:57.922-04:00I really appreciated your calling out my story in ...I really appreciated your calling out my story in your review. It's a bit of a weird thing to have in an erotica anthology!Lisabet Saraihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05162514190572269660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-34663623884070677642014-05-13T07:06:22.338-04:002014-05-13T07:06:22.338-04:00Thank you for taking the time to read and comment,...Thank you for taking the time to read and comment, Margaret. <br /><br />Anorexia truly is a sort of insanity. From the outside, though, it looks mostly physical.<br />Lisabet Saraihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05162514190572269660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-71346332592706953352014-05-12T20:25:37.886-04:002014-05-12T20:25:37.886-04:00Thanks for sharing this. I have a niece who seems...Thanks for sharing this. I have a niece who seems to be walking the same path her mother has been struggling with for many years. Her mother is a dear friend (we went through a pregnancy together) who once told me that she isn't "cured"...she'll never be cured. Every day when she wakes up she has to remind herself, "Today I'm going to eat enough to be healthy". I can't imagine how exhausting that fight must be, and how much the person with the disease must wish for a way out, like in your top drawing.<br /><br />My parents were both underweight smokers who sniffed in derision at fat people because obviously they have no self-control. My first pregnancy changed my body shape, so I worked out like mad to lose all of my weight. Then I got pregnant again...then again...then once more before I got fixed. I told my husband I'd get skinny again after the last baby. She's turning 21 this year and he's still waiting. Sigh. But I don't want to be like my parents, who denied themselves the pleasure of food, then smoked 2 packs of cigarettes a day to stay at a "healthy" weight.Fiona McGierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13495707848048468428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-19734507378009473222014-05-12T15:40:59.338-04:002014-05-12T15:40:59.338-04:00I worked with anorexics for my first Master's ...I worked with anorexics for my first Master's Degree in Clinical Psychology.<br />It was chilling how tightly they clung to their skin-and-bone thinness.<br />I was with a girl, just seventeen, holding her hand, as she took her last<br />breath, dying of anorexia. It is a terrible, terrible disease. I am so so happy<br />you found your way out of its clutches. <br />Word Actresshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04041865850513656748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-26907043641084259212014-05-12T13:05:02.394-04:002014-05-12T13:05:02.394-04:00I admire your strength, Lisabet, in confessing thi...I admire your strength, Lisabet, in confessing this in the open. Sometimes sharing the insane thoughts that pass through the mind can be the scariest thing in the world, even if the worst of it is in the past.<br /><br />I'm a fellow control freak, and although anorexia has never been my brand of unhealthy self-control (mine is OCD, avoidance, and paranoia), I recognize too often how our society encourages it, both in the food and exercise arena. I recognize the same thought processes wriggling into my brain like ear worms, and nothing horrifies me more than realizing that this is a mental parasite the world around me is creating, not destroying. <br /><br />I think being conscious of these messages and actively trying to keep them out of my brain while in the process of losing weight is some of the hardest mental juggling I've had to do because I know how easy it is to slip out of the rational and into the rationalized irrational. One could say I've substituted the illusion of self-control from anorexia with the effort to control keeping anorexia out. Time will tell whether that is just as illusory.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-82303390887461653952014-05-12T10:16:56.499-04:002014-05-12T10:16:56.499-04:00Beautiful post Lisabet - I admire your strength of...Beautiful post Lisabet - I admire your strength of mind and body. Seems like many young girls would benefit from reading of your experience.JPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10305127219838784688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-28628943344926107892014-05-12T10:00:13.722-04:002014-05-12T10:00:13.722-04:00If you hadn't included "Sundae, Bloody Su...If you hadn't included "Sundae, Bloody Sundae," Lisabet, I was going to. The story blew me away when I reviewed Coming Togeher, Girl on Girl" for the Erotica Revealed web site. Brilliant and beautiful. (I'm more the type of person who would look at that list of food and pick out the ones like the salmon that might not be all that fattening, or at least not unhealthy. And then I'd probably eat too much.) Sacchi Greenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10801164916418570059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-38205052535097946042014-05-12T09:01:35.866-04:002014-05-12T09:01:35.866-04:00Hi Lisabet,
This is a wonderful, truly heart wrenc...Hi Lisabet,<br />This is a wonderful, truly heart wrenching blog. I had no idea how people suffering anorexia viewed food, dream of it even. I was drooling over the goodies you were describing. I haven't go anorexia thank goodness, I think greed and over eating is my nemesis.<br /><br />Regards<br /><br />Margaret Margaret Tannerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07123830410502520003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-23063907311216619692014-05-12T08:46:32.243-04:002014-05-12T08:46:32.243-04:00I only recently connected the dots, Annabeth. What...I only recently connected the dots, Annabeth. What I find thrilling about BDSM is not the physical stuff - it's the experience of letting go and being willing to fall, believing I'll be safe. Nothing like it in the world.<br /><br />I hope lots of people read this post, because I think there are many misconceptions about eating disorders.Lisabet Saraihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05162514190572269660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-74169425696455801912014-05-12T07:42:46.138-04:002014-05-12T07:42:46.138-04:00Lisabet, this post gives me shivers. Thank you for...Lisabet, this post gives me shivers. Thank you for both the post itself and the very moving excerpt, and I'm stunned also by the pictures (particularly the second one, which so eloquently expresses the feelings you describe in the text). <br /><br />You wrote: "The fact that our culture equates thinness with beauty makes anorexia seem almost rational." That's the sort of thing that I want everyone to resist, and that I am trying to resist myself. One of the most chilling things I've read was a short memoir by a recovering anorexic who said that, even on the day she collapsed and was taken to the hospital, strangers were telling her she was beautiful. <br /><br />I'm also really interested by the relationship of the questions of control you describe here to the practice of BDSM. I love what you said about surrender and the loss of fear. Annabeth Leonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07455191827664110878noreply@blogger.com