tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post531251182779263662..comments2023-10-25T05:30:54.507-04:00Comments on Oh Get A Grip!: Miss Woodhouse Receives a SpankingAshe Barkerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03390519279886657608noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-71608848989103027852016-05-22T00:44:07.419-04:002016-05-22T00:44:07.419-04:00... at her most loving, when we most long to spank...... at her most loving, when we most long to spank her. That was on the back of the cover of my old Emma edition, and I thought - No, you don't spank an Austen heroine. Nd yet, Knightley spanking Emma is not an unreasonable idea, and you have done it very well. I should preferred, however, to have her spanked after the Box Hill incident with Miss Bates, where he scolded her, and Emma felt ashamed. Emma is unlike the other Austen heroines in being rich and spoiled, so it is alright for Knightley to show her the error of her ways with a good spanking. And hopefully he'll continue to do so when they are married, and I have no doubt that Emma will - if not like - accept the spankings, because she is a sensible and generous person. That, after all, is what makes her worthy of being an Austen heroine in spite of all her faults. :-)<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-40781336570191452432016-05-11T03:04:08.421-04:002016-05-11T03:04:08.421-04:00When I did my thesis on Point of View in Jane Aust...When I did my thesis on Point of View in Jane Austen's novels I read on the blurp that one of the male critics had written that Emma was at her most charming when we most longed to spank. Ok, Emma got her spanking from Mr. Knightley, and she deserved it - only a think she should have had in connection with her flippant and cruel comment to Miss Bates, where Knightley scolded her - but a bare-bottomed spanking would have been justified. But, but, butt - Emma is the only Austen heroine that I would like to see spanked, and my own point about her was that if the novel had been written from Jane Fairfax' point of view instead, there would have been little sympathy for Emma Woodhouse. A good, hard spanking from Knightley might have restored her in favour, as it does in many romantic novels - but Jane Austen wisely chose point of view. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-7211055681369435432012-09-04T04:19:00.833-04:002012-09-04T04:19:00.833-04:00Hi, Miri,
If I'm not mistaken, the zombie ver...Hi, Miri,<br /><br />If I'm not mistaken, the zombie version of Pride and Prejudice was a rewrite. So it's another author's treatment of the same characters and basic plot. That really doesn't bother me at all. <br /><br />I don't feel bad about this blog post. I'm not pretending to "improve" Jane Austen's book here.<br /><br />Somehow this issue is akin to the recent furor when some publisher decided to sanitize Mark Twain by removing racist and other politically incorrect language. Is insertion fundamentally different from deletion?<br /><br />Not sure?Lisabet Saraihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05162514190572269660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-8015203401178971122012-09-04T04:16:13.264-04:002012-09-04T04:16:13.264-04:00Hi, Garce,
So you wouldn't object if somebody...Hi, Garce,<br /><br />So you wouldn't object if somebody took Shakespeare and added scenes the author didn't write? <br /><br />I guess I see a work of art (including writing) as an organic whole, defined both by what the creator included and what she left out. We've all been cautioned against including "gratuitous sex scenes" in our stories. Isn't this inserting sex for the sake of sex, even where the author didn't think it belonged?<br /><br />I'm not sure...people have made excellent contrary arguments... but that's a big part of what bothered me about this project.Lisabet Saraihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05162514190572269660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-29390079489354250702012-08-31T22:30:35.775-04:002012-08-31T22:30:35.775-04:00I frown on the idea of authors perverting the grea...I frown on the idea of authors perverting the great classics of world literature, but at the same time, I have to admit your take on 'Emma' was a fun read...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-80825274185410831622012-08-30T08:36:26.925-04:002012-08-30T08:36:26.925-04:00I think mash-ups of material in the public domain ...I think mash-ups of material in the public domain are fine. This piece seems much more like a fun tribute to Jane Austen than a travesty. And yes, I felt the same way about the zombies that invaded Pride & Prejudice. :)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12101117144989644424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-29329657978856231832012-08-29T21:46:16.052-04:002012-08-29T21:46:16.052-04:00Its true also what Neale is saying about the class...Its true also what Neale is saying about the classics often being censored by the prudes of their time.<br /><br />The original Arabian Nights when translated by Richard Burton is about as volumes long as the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire and filled with sex. Its very hard to find an unbowlerized copy of it. The original version of Aesops fables also had many sex scenes and intimations of sex that never survived the trip to the nursery.<br /><br />GarceGarceushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11160407485298015371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-19745751546979379542012-08-29T21:41:49.295-04:002012-08-29T21:41:49.295-04:00Hi Lisabet!
I'm surprised that there was the ...Hi Lisabet!<br /><br />I'm surprised that there was the least objection to what Total proposed, since fan fiction has done that in the past and wide eyed readers like me do this in our imagination. There's hardly an Edgar Rice Burroughs novel I've read that i didn't imagine John Carter/David Innes/Tarzan mightily boffing the damsel in distress when she inevitably throws herself at him, or Jonathan Harker maybe taking up Dracula's three wives on their offer for a foursome in the castle parlor.<br /><br />One of the outstanding talents you bring to this blog here is your love of language, which I share. You have the knack of picking up that Victorian voice so perfectly. Isn't it fun?<br /><br />Garce<br />(I'm sorry i'm arriving late at this. I read it earlier just couldn't get to it. This is the fourth Wednesday so I figure I'm on stage next Wednesday.)Garceushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11160407485298015371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-70916084326226492702012-08-28T05:10:38.178-04:002012-08-28T05:10:38.178-04:00I suppose you might be right about inspiring peopl...I suppose you might be right about inspiring people to read the original, Neale. I hope so.<br /><br />Of course, CC HAVE all the content of the original. But I imagine the experience of reading EMMA with sex scenes would be quit different than that of reading the original!Lisabet Saraihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05162514190572269660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-37955705812816391312012-08-28T05:08:51.574-04:002012-08-28T05:08:51.574-04:00Hi,Mina,
I'm glad to know that I wasn't t...Hi,Mina,<br /><br />I'm glad to know that I wasn't the only person who found the idea alarming. <br /><br />But I'm also glad I didn't say anything to pour rain on the parade on the TEB authors list. Everyone was so gleeful - I didn't want to pour rain on their parades (or to come off looking like a curmudgeon).Lisabet Saraihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05162514190572269660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-43000668921863421552012-08-28T05:06:48.046-04:002012-08-28T05:06:48.046-04:00Kathleen,
I'm looking forward to your take......Kathleen,<br /><br />I'm looking forward to your take...Lisabet Saraihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05162514190572269660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-69138359528481101162012-08-28T05:06:16.101-04:002012-08-28T05:06:16.101-04:00Hello, Neale,
You're right of course.
But ma...Hello, Neale,<br /><br />You're right of course.<br /><br />But maybe I'll write a horror tale about Jane Austen coming back from the grave to take revenge on those of us who are defiling her works!<br />Lisabet Saraihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05162514190572269660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-61960488584717752702012-08-27T13:06:54.014-04:002012-08-27T13:06:54.014-04:00Again, these stories have survived time and bad ed...Again, these stories have survived time and bad editors and sex-fearing publishers. And Mr. Bowdler.<br /><br />Or did they?<br /><br />It's like a movie, it can be nearly or wildly different from the "printed" word, whether inked or digital electricity.<br /><br />The originals stand.<br /><br />And, remember, some original things, like the more recent "Forever Amber" were edited by sexual edits. Love the book but it's quite clear its sexual content scenes have been truncated, often badly.<br /><br />Sex has always been. And one does not say such things; especially in mixed company; however, who truly knows what they had wanted?<br /><br />Is the classic the one they truly wrote. And even "F. Amber" for which so many girls for generations have been named, was snubbed for its sexuality but THE BIGGEST SELLING BOOK OF 1947 AND the ENTIRE 1940S!<br /><br />What would, could Amber do if she were restored closer to the originally content (pun intended) text written by her author?<br /><br />And for the Austen and the Clandestines they're just catching up to an idea earlier published and proven. SEE: http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/01/09/1073437467805.html<br /><br />It seems like trespassing but it might not be. It's just effusive love and commerce. And like a bad film it might drive many to READ THE ORIGINAL, and fall in love. Like I did with Amber.Neale Sournahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13744343760062267369noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-44486221689395790212012-08-27T12:44:06.352-04:002012-08-27T12:44:06.352-04:00You're spot on with this Lisabet, as always. I...You're spot on with this Lisabet, as always. I was kind of lurking in the background on the whole Clandestine Classics project because it felt wrong to me for exactly the reasons you are describing here. However, I like what you did with <i>Emma</i>. I always felt she deserves a spanking for her meddling in everyone's love-lifes ;-). <br />Hm, maybe I'll give the Clandestine Classics a chance after all. I have kind of a perverse desire to see what Desireee Holt (who knows how to write HOT stuff) did with <i>Northanger Abbey</i> which is one of my favorite Austen novels. Mina Dorianhttp://minadorian.blogspot.de/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-77050374389672389642012-08-27T12:06:36.490-04:002012-08-27T12:06:36.490-04:00Neale - "And the original has lasted nearly t...Neale - "And the original has lasted nearly two hundred years, it will endure whatever may come." Well said.<br /><br />Lisabet - Althoguh I'm guilty of pickign this topic, I wans't sure what I would write. However, I'm a huge fan of Jules Vernes...Kathleen Bradeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06347913255760493335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-73092493464977645492012-08-27T11:13:31.782-04:002012-08-27T11:13:31.782-04:00You did a lovely job.
And the original has lasted...You did a lovely job.<br /><br />And the original has lasted nearly two hundred years, it will endure whatever may come.Neale Sournahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13744343760062267369noreply@blogger.com