tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post6195622338016295389..comments2023-10-25T05:30:54.507-04:00Comments on Oh Get A Grip!: Dialogues With The DevilAshe Barkerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03390519279886657608noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-89282412564413213882009-07-23T20:48:58.033-04:002009-07-23T20:48:58.033-04:00Hi Helen!
I've always missed your remarks in ...Hi Helen!<br /><br />I've always missed your remarks in the past because I didn;t know they were there. I'm sorry about that.<br /><br />Prufrock in the DMV? I can see that. Or he might be a barrista in a Starbucks measuring out his life with coffee spoons . . .<br /><br />Your comment about villians is interesting. I think it has to do with ego, as to whether a person can be tormented by their deeds. Some of us aren't evil so much as oblivious. But the willfully evil, these are mysterious people. I think in order to live with themselves some part of their humanity has to die, or be anesthetized by ego. That's the heart of the thing. <br /><br />GArceGarceushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11160407485298015371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-87797153534363782432009-07-23T14:37:24.125-04:002009-07-23T14:37:24.125-04:00J. Alfred Prufrock as a villain would be genius. ...J. Alfred Prufrock as a villain would be genius. And I bet he'd probably work in the DMV, condemning us all to eternal torment while we wait in line to renew our drivers' licenses...<br /><br />It seems to me you have three categories of villains here - the villains who aren't aware what they do is evil, and thus blunder on in ingnorance; the villains who do realize what they do is evil, and go ahead with it with no remorse; and the villains who realize what they're doing is wrong and are tormented by it. Only the last group is capable of change, and it's a fine line between group 2 & 3. The villain would have to want to change to succeed.<br /><br />Lovely post, Garce!Helenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10832774182683343435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-43782121618242235452009-07-23T09:58:34.561-04:002009-07-23T09:58:34.561-04:00Hi Lisabet!
"The Vintner's Luck"? ...Hi Lisabet!<br /><br />"The Vintner's Luck"? That sounds like a really interesting premise. I'd like to take a look at that book.<br />There may be something there for me.<br /><br />I think what you;ve said about relativity is the ley for me. How to see the bad guy through someone else's eyes. I think a villain can get away with being stone evil too, as long as there is something there we can connect with.<br /><br />I think there is a villain in Nixie's past I don;t know of yet. I'm having a hard time with this first story. <br /><br />GarceGarceushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11160407485298015371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-17716284195971142502009-07-22T23:35:43.796-04:002009-07-22T23:35:43.796-04:00"Let us go then, you and I,
When the evening..."Let us go then, you and I,<br /> When the evening is stretched out against the sky<br />Like a patient etherized upon the sheets,<br />The muttering retreats<br />Of restless nights in one-night cheap hotels,<br />Of sawdust restaurants and oyster shells.<br />Oh do not ask what is it.<br />Let us go and make our visit."<br /><br />-- "The Love Song of Alfred J. Prufrock", by T.S. Eliot, undoubtedly misremembered in detail but burned upon my soul... I learned it in high school, more than forty years ago - when I could barely understand the nature of the author's weariness.<br /><br />A wonderful post, Garce, though of course you and I have discussed this topic at length in emails. <br /><br />Nixie, however, is not a villain. Never was. She is the heroine of your story cycle, even when she is tearing off people's heads. The villain in your tales is off-stage. Maybe the person or persons who made her what she is (we'll find out soon...). Perhaps God. Can God be a villain?<br /><br />I just finished a disturbing but fascinating novel called "The Vintner's Luck", by Elizabeth Knox. One of the main characters is a fallen angel. He is a living contract between God and Lucifer; each agrees to control or own one aspect of him. The angel becomes a creature of despair, torn by the conflicting demands by his two masters.<br /><br />Perhaps the key to an effective villain is relativity. If you can look through someone's eyes and see the villain as just or even justified, you've succeeded.<br /><br />Warmly,<br />LisabetLisabet Saraihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05162514190572269660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-86693342239327502642009-07-22T20:55:43.509-04:002009-07-22T20:55:43.509-04:00NOT TS Prufrock - sorry - T. S. Eliot.
I'm an...NOT TS Prufrock - sorry - T. S. Eliot.<br /><br />I'm an awful typist.Garceushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11160407485298015371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-22612426418935878142009-07-22T20:54:24.509-04:002009-07-22T20:54:24.509-04:00Shakespeare is great. School ruined Shakespeare f...Shakespeare is great. School ruined Shakespeare for a lot of us, but it was just one of those things we had to get through.<br /><br />Prufrock? That's this poem by T.S. Prufrock that has this atmosphere of sort of weariness and a struggle with mundane stuff. I dunno.<br /><br />Hey Jenna - you read my stuff - thank you.<br /><br />GarceGarceushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11160407485298015371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-70814822495612943852009-07-22T14:54:00.097-04:002009-07-22T14:54:00.097-04:00Interesting post, Garce. It seems like you delve r...Interesting post, Garce. It seems like you delve really deep into some subjects while I just skim across the surface. <br /><br />Shakespeare reminds me too much of school. *shudder* And I have no idea who J. Alfred Prufrock is...LOL<br /><br />But I know Eichmann, and he rates up there as a villain to me.<br /><br />Hugs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com