tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post8186926118676491488..comments2023-10-25T05:30:54.507-04:00Comments on Oh Get A Grip!: A Man's a Man, For All ThatAshe Barkerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03390519279886657608noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-8035336794264993662017-10-22T16:41:21.010-04:002017-10-22T16:41:21.010-04:00True, and that fact probably discouraged te format...True, and that fact probably discouraged te formation of trans men communities - each one had to be a lone wolf.Jean Robertahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08805088081675965859noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-56191915939805325892017-10-20T06:38:33.568-04:002017-10-20T06:38:33.568-04:00Thanks for the review! I'm fascinated by the r...Thanks for the review! I'm fascinated by the research method, and this sounds like a really interesting book. As far as the urban vs rural question, I think most small towns will accept and defend pretty much anyone, once that person has won their way into acceptance by the town. It can be super hard to win that acceptance, but presenting as a hard working white male patriot probably helps. So it makes sense to me that these people could pull off living in rural areas. If groups of trans men had tried to go to the same town at the same time, I think it would have been a very different story.Annabeth Leonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07455191827664110878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-3046660933928839582017-10-19T21:16:57.544-04:002017-10-19T21:16:57.544-04:00I wonder the same thing.I wonder the same thing.Jean Robertahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08805088081675965859noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-86003620841971608062017-10-19T03:42:10.257-04:002017-10-19T03:42:10.257-04:00If you were a butch lesbian back then, masqueradin...If you were a butch lesbian back then, masquerading as male might have been the only alternative to conforming to the expectations of femininity. I wonder to what extent it's possible to know for sure whether such a historical subject was transgender or a transvestite.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-68638529409558873992017-10-16T14:08:27.655-04:002017-10-16T14:08:27.655-04:00I would say that any sexual activity between these...I would say that any sexual activity between these couples had to come closer to “lesbian” than to normal, marital sex as it was defined in that era: an actual penis in a vagina, resulting in pregnancy.Jean Robertahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08805088081675965859noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-15589977994676006982017-10-16T06:38:15.820-04:002017-10-16T06:38:15.820-04:00Hmm. Would you label a relationship with someone w...Hmm. Would you label a relationship with someone who so strongly identified as a man "lesbian"?<br /><br />Of course, labels don't really matter. Every relationship has its own definitions.Lisabet Saraihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05162514190572269660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-69199010713852589962017-10-15T16:26:42.383-04:002017-10-15T16:26:42.383-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Daddy Xhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12927663248424944119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-70909661327207840462017-10-15T11:22:55.386-04:002017-10-15T11:22:55.386-04:00The cover photo of the lovers, “Ken Lisonbee” (bor...The cover photo of the lovers, “Ken Lisonbee” (born Katherine Wing, a granddaughter of Joseph smith, who founded the Mormon Church) and her childhood “friend,” Stella Harper, seems to speak for itself. Can anyone look at their body language and doubt that they liked to touch each other? (As far as I know, Stella never denied it, & public knowledge of “Ken’s” “true sex” did not split them up.)Jean Robertahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08805088081675965859noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-17660232620478811402017-10-15T11:16:32.215-04:002017-10-15T11:16:32.215-04:00Did the widow know? My guess is that she must have...Did the widow know? My guess is that she must have, but the public comments of the female companions of those “men” once the biological truth came out are mind-boggling. Newspaper often used the word “masquerade” for the trans men’s behaviour (as in “Miss Jane Doe masqueraded as a man for 50 years.”) IMO, their wives felt they had to “masquerade” just as much to avoid being stigmatized as lesbians. One said”We lived together as brother and sister” — but in the absence of witnesses, who would know? The trans men under discussion seemed to have no trouble finding long-term female companions, and I find this intriguing, because it points to a kind of underground lesbian culture far from urban, bohemian enclaves.Jean Robertahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08805088081675965859noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-68543262508571193862017-10-15T00:02:19.865-04:002017-10-15T00:02:19.865-04:00Fascinating, Jean!
The quote from the widow almos...Fascinating, Jean!<br /><br />The quote from the widow almost sounds as though she did not know her husband was biologically female. Does the book make this clear? <br /><br />Much as I have come to distrust technology, it has definitely enabled more data-driven scholarship.Lisabet Saraihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05162514190572269660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-75562647817787998762017-10-14T21:41:31.673-04:002017-10-14T21:41:31.673-04:00What an interesting post, Jean!
Native Americans ...What an interesting post, Jean!<br /><br />Native Americans recognized those known as two-spirit people. They were apparently not only accepted but considered privileged because they bridged two existences. See either Wikipedia two-spirit people and/or:<br /><br />http://www.firstpeople.us/articles/the-two-spirit-people-of-indigenous-north-americans.html<br />Daddy Xhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12927663248424944119noreply@blogger.com