tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post5354988997107995126..comments2023-10-25T05:30:54.507-04:00Comments on Oh Get A Grip!: Double StandardsAshe Barkerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03390519279886657608noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-51686543759696319642009-08-24T02:48:49.975-04:002009-08-24T02:48:49.975-04:00Hi Randall,
I think, because the lexicon of taboo...Hi Randall,<br /><br />I think, because the lexicon of taboo words is so compataratively small, it's the lack of imagination that irritates me the most. <br /><br />I was recently reading a list of the 'tabooness ranking' of 25 words. By the time it got to number 12 I was thinking, "These aren't really taboo words!" <br /><br />When people are in public and they've said the same f*** word five times in as many minutes, it's a sign that they are linguistically challenged to the point where it's a legitimate disability.<br /><br />Thanks for reading & responding,<br /><br />AshleyAshley Listerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11997769708965362938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-67231489809908967742009-08-23T22:27:41.445-04:002009-08-23T22:27:41.445-04:00Hi Ashley,
I suspect that we share an up-bringing...Hi Ashley,<br /><br />I suspect that we share an up-bringing. Crude language used to be catagorized as designating a crude individual. Foul language was typical of those without sufficient brain power to have an intelligent conversation. Like you, I find the use of cursing in public offensive, but the unfortunate thing about our world today is that, instead of finding some stupid, drunken man as the source of such language, it is commonly teen-aged girls who are little more than children.<br /><br />I don't know that it is the language that irritates me as much as it is the loss of civility and loss of respect for self and others that such casualness represents. <br /><br />Yours,<br />Randall LangRandall Langhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12858813962583586561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-33418830230147386962009-08-21T04:01:00.567-04:002009-08-21T04:01:00.567-04:00Zoe,
That makes perfect sense to me.
There are...Zoe,<br /><br />That makes perfect sense to me. <br /><br />There are times when I hear myself saying a particular word, and I think, "Shouldn't I be using a different word?" Then, after a couple of months of not using that word, it can again sound fresh and powerful again!<br /><br />Thanks for reading & responding,<br /><br />AshAshley Listerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11997769708965362938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-53498764871476898952009-08-21T03:49:32.100-04:002009-08-21T03:49:32.100-04:00There is a time and place for everything. I tend t...There is a time and place for everything. I tend to swear in cycles- a couple of months on, a couple of months off. <br /><br />Sometimes only certain words will do- kick-ass, sometimes you just need to use the word kick-ass.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14077954548151619456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-43831192197381104752009-08-21T02:27:24.536-04:002009-08-21T02:27:24.536-04:00Hi Lisabet,
Like I said in the post, I was genuin...Hi Lisabet,<br /><br />Like I said in the post, I was genuinely surprised to find myself talking with someone who was shocked and upset by blasphemy. I suppose it's because I'm not a very religious person and don't tend to see those exclamations as offensive.<br /><br />That said, I can see it working very well for characters in future fiction (both as a blasphemer and a character offended by the blasphemy).<br /><br />Hope your cat has now calmed down and forgiven you.<br /><br />Thanks for reading & responding.<br /><br />AshAshley Listerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11997769708965362938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-86905966162933122292009-08-21T02:23:36.056-04:002009-08-21T02:23:36.056-04:00Hi Garce,
I'd agree that swearing can be more...Hi Garce,<br /><br />I'd agree that swearing can be more comforting than prayer. Many of the people I know seem to put a lot more faith in the swearing option :-) <br /><br />Thanks for reading & responding.<br /><br />AshAshley Listerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11997769708965362938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-4275853264971394042009-08-21T01:12:52.701-04:002009-08-21T01:12:52.701-04:00Hi, Ash!
As I read your post, I reached out to pe...Hi, Ash!<br /><br />As I read your post, I reached out to pet my somewhat nervous cat, who was lying behind my laptop, and got a screech as if I HAD actually stepped on her tail...<br /><br />As you say, it's all context. <br /><br />I worry about "profanity" a bit, myself. In the book I just finished, one of the main characters (a really nice guy) tends to say "Jesus" or "Christ" a lot. I hope that I don't offend any readers. This guy is Irish, undoubtedly brought up Catholic, so this is just the way he expresses himself. In contrast, another character (a somewhat elderly woman who's a witch) says "Oh, my Lord". <br /><br />Depends who's talking, doesn't it.<br /><br />Warmly,<br />LisabetLisabet Saraihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05162514190572269660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-7818169049654217572009-08-20T19:43:35.865-04:002009-08-20T19:43:35.865-04:00Hi Ashley!
Good post. Like the cat in the adage,...Hi Ashley!<br /><br />Good post. Like the cat in the adage, I find swearing cathrtic. I work with soldiers so I get used to hearing a certain level of language until I'm not aware of it anymore. But if my kid says something I jump on it.<br /><br />Sometimes swearing can be more comforting than prayer.<br /><br />GarceGarceushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11160407485298015371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-74041847351129832702009-08-20T17:12:08.268-04:002009-08-20T17:12:08.268-04:00MONOLOGICAL
Oh brother! Do many of those and I...MONOLOGICAL<br /><br />Oh brother! Do many of those and I'll come over there and slap you. Jeeze!Jude Masonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14067166768734750026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-52880508994997318082009-08-20T16:27:48.231-04:002009-08-20T16:27:48.231-04:00Jude,
I will have to cut back on the long words, ...Jude,<br /><br />I will have to cut back on the long words, and not just to spare you dictionary strain. Microsoft Word doesn't recognise some of my favourite long words (like intertextual or monological) which means I have to keep getting out my college course notes to check the spelling, and it's all too much trouble when I know the regular words for those terms. <br /><br />:-)<br /><br />Best,<br /><br />AshAshley Listerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11997769708965362938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-33890738595202173532009-08-20T16:24:34.426-04:002009-08-20T16:24:34.426-04:00Helen,
I never like people swearing in front of m...Helen,<br /><br />I never like people swearing in front of my little lad (he's 20 now, and three inches taller than me, but he's still my little lad). <br /><br />He recently used one of my poems as an audition piece for drama school. Before I allowed him to read it, I went through it to make sure there were no 'rude words' in the content.<br /><br />Perhaps I'm now getting to the stage where I need to stop being so over-protective.<br /><br />Thanks for reading & responding,<br /><br />AshAshley Listerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11997769708965362938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-18945800679316832482009-08-20T15:52:56.574-04:002009-08-20T15:52:56.574-04:00Ash, you are so bad. LOL
About Mr. Carlin's d...Ash, you are so bad. LOL<br /><br />About Mr. Carlin's death, I was astonished. I mean, I knew he was getting on in years, but he acted and was, to me, still the young man who had such an amazing sense of humor. He made you think while tickling your funny bone. That's talent. <br /><br />Don't you be using them big words, miser. I might have to get out my dictionary, then it's all going to pot. Hehe!<br /><br />HugsJude Masonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14067166768734750026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-58150182930390175262009-08-20T15:15:41.879-04:002009-08-20T15:15:41.879-04:00As the mother of two young children, and as an ero...As the mother of two young children, and as an erotica writer prone to swearing, I have the exact same schizophrenia. We have a basket ball court behind our house and I can not tell you the number of times I've stalked out there in full fury to tell the young men playing to watch their language or else. Then I stalk back to my house and get back to work on my latest erotica story.<br /><br />It's so schizo, and yet it also makes sense. My girls don't need to learn how to swear at their age. Later, maybe, when they're in their 60s and I'm either too deaf or too dead to hear, they can be as foul mouthed as they please. Until then, they're little girls!Helenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10832774182683343435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-28713430403723553402009-08-20T12:50:53.529-04:002009-08-20T12:50:53.529-04:00Jude,
Thanks for the George Carlin link. I was s...Jude,<br /><br />Thanks for the George Carlin link. I was so sad to hear about his death. He was intelligent and funny - a rare combination. <br /><br />And I'm glad I'm not the only one who gets so het up by foul-mouthed people in public places.<br /><br />Jenna,<br /><br />I'm surprised Gordon hasn't been punched for being so rude to people. I think I'd last about 2 minutes in one of his kitchens and then I'd either leave or hit him (or both).<br /><br />Jude & Jenna: after the gentle ribbing I got from you two over the past couple of days (because I'd used the word 'contextualisation') I was going to title my blog post this week "Putting the C*NT into C*NTEXTUALISATION." <br /><br />Thanks for reading & responding,<br /><br />AshAshley Listerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11997769708965362938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-5373282295545910772009-08-20T12:45:25.401-04:002009-08-20T12:45:25.401-04:00“Mind your language, you foul-mouthed fucker.”
L...<i>“Mind your language, you foul-mouthed fucker.” </i><br /><br />LMAO - My thoughts exactly. Wonderful post Ash, and I totally agree with you that it's all about the context.<br /><br />I must admit, I enjoy hearing Gordon Ramsay tell his wannabe chefs to "Go piss off." (I think he edits himself for TV sometimes, LOL)<br /><br />JennaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-36119570629196093022009-08-20T12:24:12.240-04:002009-08-20T12:24:12.240-04:00Ash,
Wonderful post. The unexpected stimuli got m...Ash,<br /><br />Wonderful post. The unexpected stimuli got me laughing for sure. I would never have called it stimuli, but indeed it was, and man did my automatic flee reaction set in. LOL<br /><br />Apropriate, that's what we all have to remember when we write. If it doesn't 'feel' right when we put it down on paper/screen, then it's not going to read right to a fan. <br /><br />You know, I'm not easily offended by vulgar language, but your comment on people swearing while in public got me thinking. If it's in a bar or pub, where there are no children present, I might not even notice it, unless it's not done properly then my internal editor wants to correct the dimwit who can't even swear right. If it's spoken in the grocery store then it's just not kosher. Children should not be subjected to that. It's not only annoying, it's uncivilized and rude. And yeah, my reaction is pretty much what yours was. LOL<br /><br />A really good post, Ash. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this. Oh, for a giggle, check out George Carlin on YouTube here:<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwelMWLBPik<br /><br />I shall always remember listening to this when my mother-in-law was at our house helping me put up wall paper. Talk about inappropriate. Ugh!<br /><br />HugsJude Masonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14067166768734750026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-61117237659102056122009-08-20T04:47:27.113-04:002009-08-20T04:47:27.113-04:00Hi Nikki,
It sounds unreal, but the idea of swear...Hi Nikki,<br /><br />It sounds unreal, but the idea of swearing 'diminishing our perception of pain' makes sense to me. I really wished I lived closer to some of these universities, just so I could visit and watch the experiments taking place :-)<br /><br />I've been reading various books on language over the summer and taboo language fascinates me. <br /><br />I'm particularly amazed by the fact, when we swear because we've been shocked by pain, it's still automatic to do it in a grammatically correct context.<br /><br />Thanks for reading and responding,<br /><br />AshleyAshley Listerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11997769708965362938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9156334464585894857.post-17469009474027398492009-08-20T04:14:54.270-04:002009-08-20T04:14:54.270-04:00Ha!
"And then they did a fuck"
I *lov...Ha! <br /><br />"And then they did a fuck"<br /><br />I *love* that line! <br /><br />Did you read the recent research findings that swearing actually diminishes our perception of pain? They got students to hold their hands in a bucket of iced water, and the group who got to swear lasted far longer than the group who were only allowed to say 'oh my word that hurts', or similar.Nikki Magennishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07085757122187578766noreply@blogger.com